{"id":281,"date":"2009-12-20T23:37:27","date_gmt":"2009-12-20T22:37:27","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/wydawnictwopodziemne.rohnka5.atthost24.pl\/?p=281"},"modified":"2012-04-14T19:17:41","modified_gmt":"2012-04-14T18:17:41","slug":"oswiadczenie-redakcji","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/staging.wydawnictwopodziemne.com\/en\/2009\/12\/20\/oswiadczenie-redakcji\/","title":{"rendered":"Editors\u2019 Statement"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!-- \t\t@page { size: 21cm 29.7cm; margin: 2cm } \t\tP { margin-bottom: 0.21cm } --><\/p>\n<ol>\n<p style=\"margin-top: 0.42cm; margin-bottom: 0.35cm;\" align=\"justify\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><span style=\"font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">1. It was drawn to our attention that some of the comments placed here in the last few days did not meet the high standards usually expected of our contributors. Statement to the effect that terms \u201cRussian\u201d and \u201ccommunist\u201d are synonymous, is below contempt. This is as ridiculous as identifying the terms \u201cNazi\u201d and \u201cGerman\u201d, as preposterous as mistaking \u201cPolish\u201d and \u201canti-Semitic\u201d, as stupid as calling all Ukrainians \u201crezuns\u201d. Collective responsibility was a big thing with people like Lenin, Stalin, Hitler and Mao. Comments such as those we have seen here recently belong to communist blogs (if there is such a thing) but they are not welcome here. Russo-phobia is every bit as despicable as anti-Semitism or anti-Ukrainian sentiments but first and foremost it is embarrassingly silly.<!--more--><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-top: 0.42cm; margin-bottom: 0.35cm;\" align=\"justify\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><span style=\"font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">2. Use of Wikipedia as a source material, frankly, defies belief. Wikipedia and similar web based compendia rely on open source, and are therefore, by definition, open to abuse and political manipulation; especially so, when the subject matter is somewhat controversial, and most subjects we discuss in <em>The Underground<\/em> are somewhat controversial. This is not to say that all the hard work of a multitude of editors of web based encyclopedias, is to be dismissed \u2013 they have indeed done a very good job and they mostly deserve our respect \u2013 but it did not and could not elevate Wikipedia to the level of a serious source. It may be used as a good starting point to find out more about a new subject but quoting it in a political discourse is degrading.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-top: 0.42cm; margin-bottom: 0.35cm;\" align=\"justify\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><span style=\"font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">3. The use of tools such as <em>google translate<\/em> in serious research boggles the mind. Research presented as some sort of \u201cpolitical insight\u201d cannot depend on tools such as this; obviously, unless it is only dressed up as serious political insight. Anyone with any rudimentary knowledge of more than one language knows full well that an automatic translator cannot properly convey the subtle points of any text, which was worth rendering in another language in the first place. And if it is not worth the effort of a decent translation than we, on this website, do not wish to know about it.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/ol>\n<p style=\"margin-left: 1.27cm; margin-top: 0.42cm; margin-bottom: 0.35cm;\" align=\"justify\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><span style=\"font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Let me give an illustration. This is a fragment of the original interview with Jeff Nyquist:<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-left: 2.54cm; margin-top: 0.42cm; margin-bottom: 0.35cm;\" align=\"justify\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><span style=\"font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Soviet strategy entered a diversionary phase in 1989, with the following features. First, they took away the West\u2019s concept of the enemy by removing the word Soviet. By September 2001 they succeeded in establishing a new enemy \u2013 al Qaeda. The practical consequence of this strategy is twofold: The Americans are engaged in a program of nuclear disarmament; and they have become diverted by wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. This means that the U.S. is no longer monitoring or countering the war preparations of Moscow\u2019s new military bloc.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-left: 1.27cm; margin-top: 0.42cm; margin-bottom: 0.35cm;\" align=\"justify\">\n<p style=\"margin-left: 1.27cm; margin-top: 0.42cm; margin-bottom: 0.35cm;\" align=\"justify\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><span style=\"font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">And the following is an effort in Polish by <em>google translator:<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-left: 1.27cm; margin-top: 0.42cm; margin-bottom: 0.35cm;\" align=\"justify\">\n<p style=\"background: #ffffff none repeat scroll 0% 0%; margin-left: 2.54cm; margin-top: 0.42cm; margin-bottom: 0.35cm;\" align=\"justify\"><span style=\"font-size: xx-small;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><span style=\"font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span lang=\"pl-PL\">Sowieckiej strategii wesz\u0142a dywersyjnych etapu w 1989 r., przy spe\u0142nieniu nast\u0119puj\u0105cych warunk\u00f3w. Najpierw zabrali poj\u0119cie Zachodu wroga, usuwaj\u0105c wyraz radzieckich. W wrze\u015bniu 2001 uda\u0142o im si\u0119 w tworzeniu nowego wroga &#8211; al Kaidy. Praktyczn\u0105 konsekwencj\u0105 tej strategii jest dwojaki: Amerykanie s\u0105 zaanga\u017cowani w program rozbrojenia nuklearnego, a sta\u0142y si\u0119 przekazywane przez wojny w Iraku i Afganistanie. Oznacza to, \u017ce USA nie jest ju\u017c monitorowania i przeciwdzia\u0142ania przygotowa\u0144 do wojny w Moskiwe nowego bloku wojskowego.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"background: #ffffff none repeat scroll 0% 0%; margin-left: 1.27cm; margin-top: 0.42cm; margin-bottom: 0.35cm;\" align=\"justify\"><span style=\"font-size: xx-small;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><span style=\"font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">If this gobbledygook reminds our readers of something than \u2013 yes! \u2013 it sounds remarkably like the nonsensical pronouncements by one Serge Kabud.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"background: #ffffff none repeat scroll 0% 0%; margin-left: 1.27cm; margin-top: 0.42cm; margin-bottom: 0.35cm;\" align=\"justify\"><span style=\"font-size: xx-small;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><span style=\"font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">So let us see what this trusted assistant of Mr Kabud\u2019s political research would make of our translation. This is how it would look in English:<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-left: 2.54cm; margin-top: 0.42cm; margin-bottom: 0.35cm;\" align=\"justify\"><span style=\"font-size: xx-small;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><span style=\"font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Soviet strategy entered a phase of diversion in 1989. First of all, the West picked up the concept of the enemy by removing the word &#8220;Soviet.&#8221; Then in September of 2001 they managed to install a new enemy &#8211; al Qaeda. Adoption of this strategy with the Soviet party has two practical consequences: the Americans unilaterally dismantles its nuclear arsenal, and they are engaged in Iraq and Afghanistan, which in turn means that they can not prevent war preparations, the new unit of Moscow&#8217;s military.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<ol>\n<p style=\"margin-top: 0.42cm; margin-bottom: 0.35cm;\" align=\"justify\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><span style=\"font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">4. We do not wish to engage in discussion on the above points. Bluntly, any debate would be pointless. On our website we will simply not permit the use of mechanical translators, we will frown upon quotes from Wikipedia and we will surely not tolerate embarrassing nonsense of the kind mentioned in point 1.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-top: 0.42cm; margin-bottom: 0.35cm;\" align=\"justify\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><span style=\"font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">5. We detest censorship in any form. So far we never had to censor anyone on this site, although God knows we were sorely tempted. After all, if one cannot say what one wants to say in <em>The Underground<\/em>, than where? But we will not stand for lowering of our standards to such abominable level. <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/ol>\n<p style=\"margin-left: 1.27cm; margin-top: 0.42cm; margin-bottom: 0.35cm;\" align=\"justify\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><span style=\"font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Mr Kabud is hereby warned that should he continue in this vein we will ask him not to participate further in discussions on our website.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>1. It was drawn to our attention that some of the comments placed here in the last few days did not meet the high standards usually expected of our contributors. Statement to the effect that terms \u201cRussian\u201d and \u201ccommunist\u201d are synonymous, is below contempt. 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